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The Art of Scaling Culture: Building Like a Product, Letting Go Like a Leader

In this insightful episode of the ZINFI Partner Ecosystem Podcast, Sugata Sanyal, Founder & CEO of ZINFI, engages in a rich conversation with Gleb Budman, Founder and CEO of Backblaze. What begins as a simple entrepreneurial story evolves into a masterclass on the art of scaling—a deliberate, multifaceted journey that extends far beyond growing revenues or adding headcount. Gleb recounts how he scaled his company from a modest one-bedroom apartment into a publicly traded enterprise with $137 million in Annual Recurring Revenue (ARR). But this transformation's core wasn’t just a product or market—it was culture, leadership, and intentional design.

The episode serves as a compelling blueprint for entrepreneurs, executives, and team builders who aspire to grow organizations that remain soulfully connected while structurally sound. Gleb opens up about the foundational pillars of scaling: treating culture as a product, empowering leaders by letting go, and transforming governance frameworks as the company matures.

Listeners walk away with practical insights on codifying values, building scalable cultural mechanisms, and transitioning leadership models to suit different growth phases. For anyone navigating the shifting sands of early-stage chaos to enterprise maturity, this episode is not just inspiring—it’s indispensable.

Video Podcast: The Art of Scaling Culture: Building Like a Product, Letting Go Like a Leader

Chapter 1: Designing Culture Like a Product

In the company’s early days, the founding team tackled a challenge bigger than launching a product—they set out to create a workplace with purpose and soul. While many startups accidentally let culture form, this team deliberately designed it. That decision marked their first step into the art of scaling.

The team mirrored their approach to building culture on how great software designers carefully map every detail of the user experience. They gave equal attention to the employee experience—structuring onboarding processes and meetings with intention. They designed every interaction deliberately, aiming for operational excellence and an ecosystem that encouraged collaboration, resilience, and meaningful performance.

In a cramped, one-bedroom apartment, five team members worked elbow-to-elbow. While space was limited, their shared sense of mission, communication habits, and rituals made a significant impact. Culture wasn’t a vague concept or HR buzzword—it was a lived experience guiding their daily actions. This hands-on, behavior-driven model was foundational in mastering the art of scaling.

Hiring decisions, management styles, and exit strategies all reflected the culture. The team didn’t just hire smart people—they chose individuals who thrived in uncertainty and embraced the company’s values of usability and simplicity. Like product teams that streamline features for clarity and speed, they stripped away bureaucracy and flattened hierarchy to build a lean, people-centered workplace.

This culture of usability and discipline—built from shared intent—gave the organization a unique ability to thrive even in chaotic conditions. It wasn’t about being casual; it was about disciplined simplicity. This early emphasis on cultural design proved essential, laying the foundation for future growth and embedding key principles of the art of scaling into the company’s DNA.

Chapter 2: The Pain and Power of Letting Go

As the organization grew, new challenges forced the team to shift their mindset. What once worked—leaders staying involved in every detail—no longer scaled. They entered a new phase in the art of scaling: they had to learn to let go.

Transitioning from hands-on leadership to results-oriented management is no small feat. It means stepping back from direct execution and trusting others to lead. This shift involves moving from micromanagement to systems thinking. The objective becomes creating the right frameworks that encourage autonomy, accountability, and rapid decision-making without constant executive involvement.

One revealing moment came when an employee hesitated over something as minor as approving a T-shirt color, awaiting input from leadership. That hesitation was a signal: the culture had been so collaborative that it started to stifle speed and ownership. For scaling to succeed, individuals needed the freedom and the expectation to take charge of their decisions.

The emotional challenge of this shift was just as real as the operational one. Founders often care deeply about every aspect of the business—from the font on the website to the workspace layout. However, scaling requires recognizing that being involved in everything creates bottlenecks. Growth depends on others stepping into leadership roles with confidence and clarity.

Letting go didn’t mean checking out. It meant embracing a higher leadership level—setting the strategic direction while empowering the team to own the execution. This mindset is central to the art of scaling: a conscious redefinition of the leader’s role that makes space for others to grow, make mistakes, and eventually exceed expectations.

Chapter 3: Scaling Culture Without Breaking It

With scale came complexity—new geographies, remote teams, and increased organizational layers. The informal, founder-driven methods that once shaped company culture no longer worked at scale. The team had to institutionalize what mattered most to retain cultural integrity while growing into a larger, more sophisticated operation. This was yet another proving ground for the art of scaling.

The company transformed how it introduced new employees. Instead of focusing only on tools and logistics, onboarding began to include deep dives into values, expectations, and decision-making frameworks. The team taught and reinforced culture with purpose. Human Resources stepped up as a strategic force—aligning performance, coaching teams, and addressing cultural misalignment before it created problems.

The team didn’t cling to old practices just to preserve culture. Instead, they pruned certain traditions and workflows to make room for the company's next needs. They shifted away from “collaborate on everything” and built a culture that championed ownership. They decentralized decision-making and made it more efficient—driven by necessity and intentional design.

Going public added new demands: governance structures, financial oversight, independent boards, and formal executive responsibilities. While these changes introduced rigor, they didn’t compromise the organization’s character. Core values like usability, humility, and transparency remained intact. These principles served as a compass, helping the team navigate the transition without losing its soul.

The key lesson here is one of balance. The art of scaling is not about rigidly preserving the past. It’s about understanding which cultural elements to evolve, which to safeguard, and how to introduce new structures without diluting core identity. Like product design, scaling culture requires iteration, feedback, and adaptation.